This brings me to yesterday, the day about which Mark posted. I woke early to go to the flea market, where I bought some old German postcards of Wroclaw when it was Breslau.
Our morning’s session, on presenting international theatre in the United States was, as Mark says, really vivid and inspiring – and David gave us a lot to think about. The factoid that shook me up the most was that the entire US government – federal, state, and local combined – spends less $ on the arts than the entire city of Berlin.
In the afternoon, I played three hands of Crazy 8’s with M’s daughter H. She won 2 out of 3. I then caught part of the public conversation with Ludwig Flaszen.* Here is what he said before I had to leave. It was in response to the question, “How did you play devil’s advocate to Grotowski? What was that role?”
Flaszen: “I didn’t write any reviews for the viewers. I wrote what I wrote, and it was always addressed to the artists. It was always an analysis of what an artist did, and what he should have done, working on a given thing. And when I found myself next to Grotowski, I was a critic – directing my message directly to the artist. At that time I had no theatrical ambitions as a practitioner, so as to enter into a symbiotic relationship to the artist, to influence him, to help him in what he, in fact and in truth, wants. Because discovering what the artist really knows is a complex process.
Grotowski started with staging theater that was highly intellectual. I’d say it was theater that was far from biology, far from the body as a vessel. It is a fact that to a certain extent, he was under the influence of Meyerhold. He’d build certain structures, even pantomimes. But in actual fact, what Grotowski was aiming at reached its acme with Cieslak** -this was beautifully expounded yesterday.***
I don’t want to say that I am the one who gave birth to Grotowski, but I would find it a great pleasure if that were the truth! Yet I helped him in finding his creative need, his (I missed this part). Because in that time, existentialism was fashionable, was called authenticity. And then, as a critic, I called it existential psychoanalysis. I wanted to be that little Sartre to that huge Grotowski.”
I then had to leave and run to the third of the three Teatrs Polski to catch the Suzuki ELECTRA.
- Dara
* Founder, with Grotowski, of the Polish Laboratory Theatre, and Grotowski’s earliest significant collaborator.
** Grotowski’s leading actor at the Polish Laboratory Theatre.
*** Peter Brook spoke extensively about Cieslak yesterday.